sfdebchat
Sun, Aug-24-03, 19:32
Did anybody know that fluoride toxicity could worsen IBS?
I was just doing some research on tyrosin and came across some disturbing facts about drinking tea, of which I drink a lot. There's more bad news! High fluoride contents are found in a variety of foods now, tea is just one of the higher numbers along with seaweed. Plus some communities have fluoridated water which adds to this health threat.
Both green and black teas contain high levels of fluoride and aluminum. High fluoride intakes may cause IBS, brittle bones, cancer, ADHD, chronic pain and the list goes on.
A combination of high fluoride and high aluminum appears to be involved in Alzheimers disease. Due to environmental pollution, teas are now very high in both of these toxins.
Per the first website I first list following this, Tea has about 32 ppm per liter, Sardines 11 ppm, Salmon 5.77 ppm, shrimp 4.5 ppm, carrots 2.5 ppm. The EPA's "safe" amount for fluoridated drinking water is 1ppm, figuring that people drink four 8oz glasses of water per day. I figure that I am taking in at least 50 times the safe amount by drinking tea all day long! Maybe this is why I have IBS, Arthritis, Degenerative Disk Disease, etc.
IBS and fluoride info, Fluoride counts in foods/tea;
http://www.npwa.freeserve.co.uk/IBS.html
Fluoride Toxicity and Alzheimers, ADHD, Thyroid problems, Osteoperosis, Arthritis, SIDS, Down Syndrome etc.
http://www.mercola.com/2000/sept/10...ide_thyroid.htm
Does anybody have more information or thoughts on this?
deb
I was just doing some research on tyrosin and came across some disturbing facts about drinking tea, of which I drink a lot. There's more bad news! High fluoride contents are found in a variety of foods now, tea is just one of the higher numbers along with seaweed. Plus some communities have fluoridated water which adds to this health threat.
Both green and black teas contain high levels of fluoride and aluminum. High fluoride intakes may cause IBS, brittle bones, cancer, ADHD, chronic pain and the list goes on.
A combination of high fluoride and high aluminum appears to be involved in Alzheimers disease. Due to environmental pollution, teas are now very high in both of these toxins.
Per the first website I first list following this, Tea has about 32 ppm per liter, Sardines 11 ppm, Salmon 5.77 ppm, shrimp 4.5 ppm, carrots 2.5 ppm. The EPA's "safe" amount for fluoridated drinking water is 1ppm, figuring that people drink four 8oz glasses of water per day. I figure that I am taking in at least 50 times the safe amount by drinking tea all day long! Maybe this is why I have IBS, Arthritis, Degenerative Disk Disease, etc.
IBS and fluoride info, Fluoride counts in foods/tea;
http://www.npwa.freeserve.co.uk/IBS.html
Fluoride Toxicity and Alzheimers, ADHD, Thyroid problems, Osteoperosis, Arthritis, SIDS, Down Syndrome etc.
http://www.mercola.com/2000/sept/10...ide_thyroid.htm
Does anybody have more information or thoughts on this?
deb
2bthinner!
Tue, Sep-02-03, 07:48
Hi! I've just been doing this same research and searched here to make sure I wouldn't repeat info that I had missed. I also ran across an article that stated fluoridated water was used in Nazi camps to keep inmates docile. http://www.all-natural.com/fleffect.html
And another, http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/shamesfluoride.htm, says it was once used to TREAT hyperthyroidism (too fast). I am in the south. I had sweet tea in my bottle!! I'm lucky I'm not 300lbs.. although my aunt is. Needless to say, I have quit drinking tea. I'm glad I had already learned to drink it unsweetened, I think that made this last step rather painless. I'm drinking distilled water for a few days. I'm also going to get my water (well) tested to find out my water ppm. I also talked to my kids, especially my older daughter as she drinks sodas at school. After all, the first ingredient in soda is water. And I'm pretty sure they're not using a well. Although it's possible they use bottled water, but I think that's unlikely. It'd be more expensive that way. Also, what they put in municipal water is not the same as what occurs naturally. They use "leftovers" from phosphate plants..http://www.fluoridealert.org/phosphate/overview.htm#6 I've actually lost 2lbs in the last 3 days since I quite drinking tea..
And another, http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/shamesfluoride.htm, says it was once used to TREAT hyperthyroidism (too fast). I am in the south. I had sweet tea in my bottle!! I'm lucky I'm not 300lbs.. although my aunt is. Needless to say, I have quit drinking tea. I'm glad I had already learned to drink it unsweetened, I think that made this last step rather painless. I'm drinking distilled water for a few days. I'm also going to get my water (well) tested to find out my water ppm. I also talked to my kids, especially my older daughter as she drinks sodas at school. After all, the first ingredient in soda is water. And I'm pretty sure they're not using a well. Although it's possible they use bottled water, but I think that's unlikely. It'd be more expensive that way. Also, what they put in municipal water is not the same as what occurs naturally. They use "leftovers" from phosphate plants..http://www.fluoridealert.org/phosphate/overview.htm#6 I've actually lost 2lbs in the last 3 days since I quite drinking tea..
Kent
Mon, Sep-08-03, 18:33
Aluminium and fluoride in hospital daily diets and in teas. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8525696&dopt=Abstract)
Nabrzyski M, Gajewska R.
Department of Bromatology, Pharmaceutical Faculty, Medical University Gdansk, Poland.
The levels of aluminium and fluoride have been determined in hospital daily diets including breakfast, dinner and supper, as well as in black teas and herbal teas purchased from the local market. In tea, aluminium was determined directly in a sample solution by atomic absorption spectroscopy using nitrous oxide and an acetylene flame. For analysis of the hospital diet, samples containing lower levels of aluminium were analysed using a spectrophotometric method which measured aluminium in the form of a 8-hydroxyquinoline complex. Decomposition of the samples was achieved using a mixture of concentrated acids [nitric (HNO3), perchloric (HClO4) and sulphuric (H2SO4)] in platinum dishes. Fluoride was assayed by spectrophotometry using a microdiffusion procedure with a mixture of concentrated HClO4 and silver sulphate, trace amounts of the released fluoride [as hydrogen fluoride (HF)] were trapped on the alkaline surface of a Petri dish and then determined in the form of an alizarin-fluoride complex. The mean level of aluminium found in hospital daily diets amounted to 21.3 +/- 12.3 mg and the mean level of fluoride was 1.38 +/- 1.12 mg per adult person. In the 16 samples of commerically available brands of black teas, the levels of aluminium and fluoride ranged from 445 to 1552 ppm (mean = 897 +/- 264 ppm) and from 30 to 340 ppm (mean 141 +/- 85 ppm), respectively. In six herbal teas, the mean levels of aluminium and fluoride were lower, and amounted to 218.9 +/- 150.7 ppm and 6.0 +/- 6.9 ppm, respectively. This study has shown that concern about a high intake of aluminium and fluoride from these foods is unfounded.
Kent :wave:
Nabrzyski M, Gajewska R.
Department of Bromatology, Pharmaceutical Faculty, Medical University Gdansk, Poland.
The levels of aluminium and fluoride have been determined in hospital daily diets including breakfast, dinner and supper, as well as in black teas and herbal teas purchased from the local market. In tea, aluminium was determined directly in a sample solution by atomic absorption spectroscopy using nitrous oxide and an acetylene flame. For analysis of the hospital diet, samples containing lower levels of aluminium were analysed using a spectrophotometric method which measured aluminium in the form of a 8-hydroxyquinoline complex. Decomposition of the samples was achieved using a mixture of concentrated acids [nitric (HNO3), perchloric (HClO4) and sulphuric (H2SO4)] in platinum dishes. Fluoride was assayed by spectrophotometry using a microdiffusion procedure with a mixture of concentrated HClO4 and silver sulphate, trace amounts of the released fluoride [as hydrogen fluoride (HF)] were trapped on the alkaline surface of a Petri dish and then determined in the form of an alizarin-fluoride complex. The mean level of aluminium found in hospital daily diets amounted to 21.3 +/- 12.3 mg and the mean level of fluoride was 1.38 +/- 1.12 mg per adult person. In the 16 samples of commerically available brands of black teas, the levels of aluminium and fluoride ranged from 445 to 1552 ppm (mean = 897 +/- 264 ppm) and from 30 to 340 ppm (mean 141 +/- 85 ppm), respectively. In six herbal teas, the mean levels of aluminium and fluoride were lower, and amounted to 218.9 +/- 150.7 ppm and 6.0 +/- 6.9 ppm, respectively. This study has shown that concern about a high intake of aluminium and fluoride from these foods is unfounded.
Kent :wave:
Kent
Mon, Sep-08-03, 18:44
Concentration of fluoride and selected other elements in teas. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2520298&dopt=Abstract)
Wei SH, Hattab FN, Mellberg JR.
Department of Children's Dentistry and Orthodontics, University of Hong Kong.
Infusions made from 15 Chinese, 11 Ceylon/Indian and 6 herb teas (1 g/100 ml deionized water at 85 degrees C) were analyzed for F, P, Ca, Al, Mg, Mn and Zn. Chinese teas continued to release F throughout the first hour of infusion, whereas release of F from Ceylon/Indian teas was essentially completed after 5 minutes. After a 15-minute infusion, the mean F concentration in Chinese teas was 1.73 ppm, and in Ceylon/Indian teas it was 1.24 ppm. Herb teas contained a negligible amount of F (0.02-0.05 ppm). Phosphorus and Mg were the most abundant of the other elements with an average of 12.5 and 9.1 ppm, respectively. A high correlation (r = 0.81) was found between the released F and Al. The total F content in tea leaves ranged from 82 to 371 ppm. The addition of milk to tea infusions did not appreciably reduce the F concentration. The estimated daily F intake from tea infusion made with fluoridated water at 0.7 ppm is 1.05 mg.
==========
Perhaps some reports are analyzing the content of fluoride in the tea leaves and not in the tea drink.
Kent :wave:
Wei SH, Hattab FN, Mellberg JR.
Department of Children's Dentistry and Orthodontics, University of Hong Kong.
Infusions made from 15 Chinese, 11 Ceylon/Indian and 6 herb teas (1 g/100 ml deionized water at 85 degrees C) were analyzed for F, P, Ca, Al, Mg, Mn and Zn. Chinese teas continued to release F throughout the first hour of infusion, whereas release of F from Ceylon/Indian teas was essentially completed after 5 minutes. After a 15-minute infusion, the mean F concentration in Chinese teas was 1.73 ppm, and in Ceylon/Indian teas it was 1.24 ppm. Herb teas contained a negligible amount of F (0.02-0.05 ppm). Phosphorus and Mg were the most abundant of the other elements with an average of 12.5 and 9.1 ppm, respectively. A high correlation (r = 0.81) was found between the released F and Al. The total F content in tea leaves ranged from 82 to 371 ppm. The addition of milk to tea infusions did not appreciably reduce the F concentration. The estimated daily F intake from tea infusion made with fluoridated water at 0.7 ppm is 1.05 mg.
==========
Perhaps some reports are analyzing the content of fluoride in the tea leaves and not in the tea drink.
Kent :wave:
2bthinner!
Wed, Sep-10-03, 10:33
says it has .14% per pea sized glob.(Colgate) And if you swallow more than that you're supposed to call poison control?!?. Doesn't sound harmless to me. There's 1.0ppm in most fluoridated water. That's if you drank 4 glasses a day. They used 2.4 to 6.8 (see link, don't recall if mg or ppm) to slow down people with hyperthyroid. I was only addressing the thyroid issue. The rest of it is a bit scary to think about, frankly.
Sorry, here's the link listing "dosage".
http://www.rifeenergymedicine.com/greentea.html
Sorry, here's the link listing "dosage".
http://www.rifeenergymedicine.com/greentea.html
lenharley
Thu, Jan-08-04, 06:49
Hi Deb,
About 12 years ago I experienced a total cure of my IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome).
I found out, literally by accident, that it was caused by Fluoride.
Recently I discovered that I am not unique. I have spoken to a doctor/lecturer in Analytical Chemistry at Surrey University, Guildford. He has done work on Fluoride,
and he found that Fluoride toothpaste caused his own IBS. (He is not much of a tea drinker). When his symptoms recurred he discovered his wife had bought Fluoride toothpaste again!
http://www.ibsnetwork.org.uk/GutReaction/GutReactionArcLet01.htm
Both he, and a 2 leading Consultant/Specialists on IBS that I have corresponded with on this issue, do not dismiss this link out of hand. Rather they confirm that nobody has looked for it! (Even though the evidence that Fluoride attacks the gut exists)
I pulled a steel stake out of the ground; straight into my mouth, causing dental injuries. This meant a few days without hot drinks. To my utter amazement I realised I was suddenly totally free of the Irritable Bowel Syndrome that had plagued me daily for about 10 years with bloating, tummy cramps and anal mucus.
I suspected coffee, but, in every subsequent test I did, it was tea that would bring back the cramps within an hour or two every time.
I researched tea to discover why it might cause IBS. Most notable was that tea contained more fluoride than any other edible plant. I found out that a symptom of fluoride-poisoning is gut pain and remembered that Canadian researchers had blamed toothpaste for IBS. So, out went the fluoride toothpaste as well as the tea!
I went from daily gut pain to total cure!
Since that day I have been IBS-free…….except for a period when I went to live in Feering, Essex. (At that time I could only blame tea for certain). But the symptoms crept back, so I enquired of the local water supplier if they fluoridated. “No we don’t” they replied, “but you have the highest natural fluoride in the country and dilution is used to get it down to the WHO maximum” I changed to bottled water and the IBS totally disappeared again!
This may not amount to a full-blown “double-blind medical trial, ”but it did give a “blind” corroborative proof.
I had moved to many areas at that period. I did not have, and could not have, anticipated an IBS recurrence, since the water at Feering was not even “officially” fluoridated.
I pride myself on a rigorously scientific mind so I was prepared to believe that (however unlikely) it was only my IBS that was caused by fluoride. I remained suspicious however, because the enormous rise in IBS was “coincident” with the rise in fluoride-ingestion from water, toothpastes, pesticides, non-stick cookware and mouthwashes.
Then I was dismayed to learn, a couple of years ago, that the knowledge that fluoride causes IBS has been in the scientific domain for a long time! Professor A. K. Susheela director of the Fluorosis Research and Rural Development Foundation in New Delhi has done 30 years research in this field and is a senior advisor to the Indian government.
She, and her team, are one of the foremost authorities on Fluoride, having published over 100 papers on the subject!
She proved how long-term fluoride intake damaged the gastric mucosa and microvilli leading to IBS.
Notwithstanding this, there has been a scientific/medical tendency to be pro-Fluoride in order to appear “anti-crank”.
Perhaps you are sceptical about these events because Fluoride has been given a positive, cosy image. Consider the following facts I discovered subsequently to my cure.
The American “Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products” (5th. Edition) rates fluoride only slightly less toxic than arsenic, and more toxic than lead!
This made it a useful rat poison.
And yet their Environmental Protection Agency permits 250 times more Fluoride than lead, in water. Is this logical?
Moreover there is a goal of zero to be achieved for the, less poisonous, lead!
If we found that lead or arsenic hardened teeth would we add them to water?
Well Fluoride is just as toxic, with scores of proven detrimental effects on the body.
Why are we pursuing Fluoridation when medical/expert opinion is becoming more sceptical about it, and whilst Ireland is considering reversing Fluoridation and 98% of Europe is against it?
The Fluoride used has no drug approval; in fact it is an industrial waste, from fertiliser or smelting-plant chimney-scrubbers. It contains heavy metal impurities including Arsenic, Lead and Antimony as well as Uranium 238. And it is illegal to discharge it into the environment, or dump it at sea…
A cynic might wonder if it’s put in the water supply so that each time we wash the car, or flush the toilet we conveniently tip an industrial waste into the environment in a manner that is otherwise illegal.
It was one thing for Americans to solve a toxic waste problem in this manner, but to export this idea to tea-drinking nations like Britain and Ireland was downright irresponsible.
Recent Taiwanese research, published in “Nature” magazine found huge variations in the Fluoride content of different teas. This means control of the Fluoride dose is impossible. The concentration of Fluoride in tea could be as much as 41 times the optimum to reduce dental fillings! Even this dental “optimum” is not necessarily good for our general health. If you drink tea you are probably already getting too much Fluoride, as I certainly was. But we can choose to avoid tea we cannot avoid water.
Flouride is a thyroid suppressor, formally used to treat over-active thyroid glands. There are literally hundreds of studies on the thyroid-toxicity of fluoride. Furthermore, Chlorine (which is added to our water) and mercury (which is in our teeth-fillings) are also thyroid suppressors. The aluminium in tea enhances this effect. We seem to be conducting a multi-pronged assault on the thyroids of a whole generation and many people claim that a large percentage of the population is suffering from sub-clinically low thyroid function.
Research, published in 2001, also showed that fluoride calcified the vital pineal gland in the brain with potentially far-reaching consequences.
It would seem that the only argument for Fluoridation is the dental health argument.
But even this is hotly contested. I can do no better than refer you to a paper published in The Irish Medical Journal by Dr. Don MacAuley (Dental Surgeon). He was a supporter of Fluoridation but changed his mind only after looking deeper into Fluoride at the request of some of his patients. His dental-school training had not supplied these perspectives. He outlines some of the multitudinous toxic affects of this poison. (It seems naïve to me, to assume that a substance that has profound effects on teeth and bone would have no other effects on our bodies, particularly on the digestive tract through which it passes). This would not be so alarming were it not such a powerful poison. (Please find his paper attached here:- http://www.rvi.net/~fluoride/vul.htm )
Even if the dental health argument were uncontested, it would not justify ignoring all the powerful arguments against Fluoride’s effects on other components of human health.
This compulsory mass-medication breaks every rule of medical prescribing, we will not been seen nor examined, our medical history is not taken, no account is taken of existing, or past, intake of this substance, its known toxicity and side-effects (or individual susceptibility) are disregarded, We may not need it, and, even if it does us great individual harm, we can be forced to take it against our will.
I do not believe for one minute that I am unique. Apart from the Doctor/Lecturer mentioned
above, my own daughter had chronic gut pain until we refused her tea and changed the children
to Fluoride-free toothpaste (I am not a “crank”. I had even kept the children on Fluoride
Toothpaste….now this appears naive)
Because of Government moves on fluoridation I feel condemned to get IBS again at some point in the future, so I cannot remain complacent.
The question for me is how to move it forward?
I feel the best chance is to publicise "the possibility of a link between Fluoride and IBS".
This would provoke enough IBS sufferers to conduct their personal trials (They need to be told to cut out tea as well as obvious F sources).
The weight of anecdotal cures, which, I believe, will ensue, will generate the interest and demand for proper, conclusive research.
If Fluoride is at the root of much IBS it may take a very long time to discover it.... if we do nothing.
The kind of "flook" events that led to my rejection of tea, followed by my unanticipated relapse on moving into a high natural Fluoride water supply area, will be very rare.
The fact that people ingest F from diverse sources also means "accidental exclusions" will be rare. So where will the "anecdotal push" come from?
It you try this let me know how you do please?
Leonard Harley
Suggested Protocol for Fluoride exclusion
If you have IBS, and want to see if Fluoride is causing it, try giving up tea, fluoride toothpastes/mouthwashes, kelp, non-stick coated cookware, and fluoridated water. (Use bottled, and don’t soak in the bath, in Fluoridated areas) Consult your doctor about Fluoride-containing medicines such as Prozac. Perhaps you will be totally cured as I was.
You might also buy a bottle of tamarind paste/concentrate from an Indian grocers. Tamarind helps eliminates fluoride from the body. Indeed the recent trend to replace tamarind with tomatoes in cooking has been blamed for the increase of fluorosis in India.
List of Fluoride containing foods……http://www.npwa.freeserve.co.uk/IBS.html
Resources:
http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/picture_i.html
http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/picture_i.html
http://64.177.90.157/science/
http://64.177.90.157/science/
http://directory.google.com/Top/Society/Issues/Health/Water_Treatment/Fluoridation/?il=1
About 12 years ago I experienced a total cure of my IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome).
I found out, literally by accident, that it was caused by Fluoride.
Recently I discovered that I am not unique. I have spoken to a doctor/lecturer in Analytical Chemistry at Surrey University, Guildford. He has done work on Fluoride,
and he found that Fluoride toothpaste caused his own IBS. (He is not much of a tea drinker). When his symptoms recurred he discovered his wife had bought Fluoride toothpaste again!
http://www.ibsnetwork.org.uk/GutReaction/GutReactionArcLet01.htm
Both he, and a 2 leading Consultant/Specialists on IBS that I have corresponded with on this issue, do not dismiss this link out of hand. Rather they confirm that nobody has looked for it! (Even though the evidence that Fluoride attacks the gut exists)
I pulled a steel stake out of the ground; straight into my mouth, causing dental injuries. This meant a few days without hot drinks. To my utter amazement I realised I was suddenly totally free of the Irritable Bowel Syndrome that had plagued me daily for about 10 years with bloating, tummy cramps and anal mucus.
I suspected coffee, but, in every subsequent test I did, it was tea that would bring back the cramps within an hour or two every time.
I researched tea to discover why it might cause IBS. Most notable was that tea contained more fluoride than any other edible plant. I found out that a symptom of fluoride-poisoning is gut pain and remembered that Canadian researchers had blamed toothpaste for IBS. So, out went the fluoride toothpaste as well as the tea!
I went from daily gut pain to total cure!
Since that day I have been IBS-free…….except for a period when I went to live in Feering, Essex. (At that time I could only blame tea for certain). But the symptoms crept back, so I enquired of the local water supplier if they fluoridated. “No we don’t” they replied, “but you have the highest natural fluoride in the country and dilution is used to get it down to the WHO maximum” I changed to bottled water and the IBS totally disappeared again!
This may not amount to a full-blown “double-blind medical trial, ”but it did give a “blind” corroborative proof.
I had moved to many areas at that period. I did not have, and could not have, anticipated an IBS recurrence, since the water at Feering was not even “officially” fluoridated.
I pride myself on a rigorously scientific mind so I was prepared to believe that (however unlikely) it was only my IBS that was caused by fluoride. I remained suspicious however, because the enormous rise in IBS was “coincident” with the rise in fluoride-ingestion from water, toothpastes, pesticides, non-stick cookware and mouthwashes.
Then I was dismayed to learn, a couple of years ago, that the knowledge that fluoride causes IBS has been in the scientific domain for a long time! Professor A. K. Susheela director of the Fluorosis Research and Rural Development Foundation in New Delhi has done 30 years research in this field and is a senior advisor to the Indian government.
She, and her team, are one of the foremost authorities on Fluoride, having published over 100 papers on the subject!
She proved how long-term fluoride intake damaged the gastric mucosa and microvilli leading to IBS.
Notwithstanding this, there has been a scientific/medical tendency to be pro-Fluoride in order to appear “anti-crank”.
Perhaps you are sceptical about these events because Fluoride has been given a positive, cosy image. Consider the following facts I discovered subsequently to my cure.
The American “Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products” (5th. Edition) rates fluoride only slightly less toxic than arsenic, and more toxic than lead!
This made it a useful rat poison.
And yet their Environmental Protection Agency permits 250 times more Fluoride than lead, in water. Is this logical?
Moreover there is a goal of zero to be achieved for the, less poisonous, lead!
If we found that lead or arsenic hardened teeth would we add them to water?
Well Fluoride is just as toxic, with scores of proven detrimental effects on the body.
Why are we pursuing Fluoridation when medical/expert opinion is becoming more sceptical about it, and whilst Ireland is considering reversing Fluoridation and 98% of Europe is against it?
The Fluoride used has no drug approval; in fact it is an industrial waste, from fertiliser or smelting-plant chimney-scrubbers. It contains heavy metal impurities including Arsenic, Lead and Antimony as well as Uranium 238. And it is illegal to discharge it into the environment, or dump it at sea…
A cynic might wonder if it’s put in the water supply so that each time we wash the car, or flush the toilet we conveniently tip an industrial waste into the environment in a manner that is otherwise illegal.
It was one thing for Americans to solve a toxic waste problem in this manner, but to export this idea to tea-drinking nations like Britain and Ireland was downright irresponsible.
Recent Taiwanese research, published in “Nature” magazine found huge variations in the Fluoride content of different teas. This means control of the Fluoride dose is impossible. The concentration of Fluoride in tea could be as much as 41 times the optimum to reduce dental fillings! Even this dental “optimum” is not necessarily good for our general health. If you drink tea you are probably already getting too much Fluoride, as I certainly was. But we can choose to avoid tea we cannot avoid water.
Flouride is a thyroid suppressor, formally used to treat over-active thyroid glands. There are literally hundreds of studies on the thyroid-toxicity of fluoride. Furthermore, Chlorine (which is added to our water) and mercury (which is in our teeth-fillings) are also thyroid suppressors. The aluminium in tea enhances this effect. We seem to be conducting a multi-pronged assault on the thyroids of a whole generation and many people claim that a large percentage of the population is suffering from sub-clinically low thyroid function.
Research, published in 2001, also showed that fluoride calcified the vital pineal gland in the brain with potentially far-reaching consequences.
It would seem that the only argument for Fluoridation is the dental health argument.
But even this is hotly contested. I can do no better than refer you to a paper published in The Irish Medical Journal by Dr. Don MacAuley (Dental Surgeon). He was a supporter of Fluoridation but changed his mind only after looking deeper into Fluoride at the request of some of his patients. His dental-school training had not supplied these perspectives. He outlines some of the multitudinous toxic affects of this poison. (It seems naïve to me, to assume that a substance that has profound effects on teeth and bone would have no other effects on our bodies, particularly on the digestive tract through which it passes). This would not be so alarming were it not such a powerful poison. (Please find his paper attached here:- http://www.rvi.net/~fluoride/vul.htm )
Even if the dental health argument were uncontested, it would not justify ignoring all the powerful arguments against Fluoride’s effects on other components of human health.
This compulsory mass-medication breaks every rule of medical prescribing, we will not been seen nor examined, our medical history is not taken, no account is taken of existing, or past, intake of this substance, its known toxicity and side-effects (or individual susceptibility) are disregarded, We may not need it, and, even if it does us great individual harm, we can be forced to take it against our will.
I do not believe for one minute that I am unique. Apart from the Doctor/Lecturer mentioned
above, my own daughter had chronic gut pain until we refused her tea and changed the children
to Fluoride-free toothpaste (I am not a “crank”. I had even kept the children on Fluoride
Toothpaste….now this appears naive)
Because of Government moves on fluoridation I feel condemned to get IBS again at some point in the future, so I cannot remain complacent.
The question for me is how to move it forward?
I feel the best chance is to publicise "the possibility of a link between Fluoride and IBS".
This would provoke enough IBS sufferers to conduct their personal trials (They need to be told to cut out tea as well as obvious F sources).
The weight of anecdotal cures, which, I believe, will ensue, will generate the interest and demand for proper, conclusive research.
If Fluoride is at the root of much IBS it may take a very long time to discover it.... if we do nothing.
The kind of "flook" events that led to my rejection of tea, followed by my unanticipated relapse on moving into a high natural Fluoride water supply area, will be very rare.
The fact that people ingest F from diverse sources also means "accidental exclusions" will be rare. So where will the "anecdotal push" come from?
It you try this let me know how you do please?
Leonard Harley
Suggested Protocol for Fluoride exclusion
If you have IBS, and want to see if Fluoride is causing it, try giving up tea, fluoride toothpastes/mouthwashes, kelp, non-stick coated cookware, and fluoridated water. (Use bottled, and don’t soak in the bath, in Fluoridated areas) Consult your doctor about Fluoride-containing medicines such as Prozac. Perhaps you will be totally cured as I was.
You might also buy a bottle of tamarind paste/concentrate from an Indian grocers. Tamarind helps eliminates fluoride from the body. Indeed the recent trend to replace tamarind with tomatoes in cooking has been blamed for the increase of fluorosis in India.
List of Fluoride containing foods……http://www.npwa.freeserve.co.uk/IBS.html
Resources:
http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/picture_i.html
http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/picture_i.html
http://64.177.90.157/science/
http://64.177.90.157/science/
http://directory.google.com/Top/Society/Issues/Health/Water_Treatment/Fluoridation/?il=1
sfdebchat
Fri, Jan-09-04, 23:06
Hi Leonard,
I just got online today after much time spent offline, and was so pleased to read your detailed post. I think we have been to all the same sites and read all the same research, well nearly. You have written about all the research that I did myself and more.... I was especially impressed by the research done in India. It is amazing to me how naive my fellow Americans can be when it comes to trusting the government to protect and inform us where food and water safety is concerned.
I spoke to my physician about my research and she could offer me nothing. She did not know about this issue at all. I was quite disappointed. She also did not have any info on the reasons some pain medications are flouridated. I told her that when I removed flouride from my diet, that my pain from degenerative disks disease increased greatly. I wanted to know if the flouride that I am getting from tea reacts some way with aspirin and the other medications that I am taking. It seems that I really have less pain when I drink tea and I don't think that it is a fluke because I have tested this theory over the past few months. I know self testing is not scientific, but it seems that noone else is testing these things.
So, for many months I have been staying away from black and green teas for the most part. Also have switched my toothpaste and mouthwash and limit dietary flouride intake. I have found that I have little to rare stomach pain now, but still suffer constipation much of the time. One other thing that I have noticed is that my sensitive teeth and inflamed gums are much improved, with only occasional flareups.
Thanks again for writing such a wonderful post on this subject. If you come accross any info on flouride and pain meds please let me know. And good luck on your eating plan.
deb
I just got online today after much time spent offline, and was so pleased to read your detailed post. I think we have been to all the same sites and read all the same research, well nearly. You have written about all the research that I did myself and more.... I was especially impressed by the research done in India. It is amazing to me how naive my fellow Americans can be when it comes to trusting the government to protect and inform us where food and water safety is concerned.
I spoke to my physician about my research and she could offer me nothing. She did not know about this issue at all. I was quite disappointed. She also did not have any info on the reasons some pain medications are flouridated. I told her that when I removed flouride from my diet, that my pain from degenerative disks disease increased greatly. I wanted to know if the flouride that I am getting from tea reacts some way with aspirin and the other medications that I am taking. It seems that I really have less pain when I drink tea and I don't think that it is a fluke because I have tested this theory over the past few months. I know self testing is not scientific, but it seems that noone else is testing these things.
So, for many months I have been staying away from black and green teas for the most part. Also have switched my toothpaste and mouthwash and limit dietary flouride intake. I have found that I have little to rare stomach pain now, but still suffer constipation much of the time. One other thing that I have noticed is that my sensitive teeth and inflamed gums are much improved, with only occasional flareups.
Thanks again for writing such a wonderful post on this subject. If you come accross any info on flouride and pain meds please let me know. And good luck on your eating plan.
deb
lenharley
Sun, Jan-11-04, 03:26
Hi Deb,
I’m not surprised you have less stomach pain.
Fluoride and Aspirin are both irritant to the stomach.
“Fluorinated Pharmaceuticals - Fluoridated Income Generation:
In an effort to increase the bio-availability of the remedial ingredient or ingredients, many pharmaceutical products are halogenated. There are still many chlorinated and a few brominated products designed as nostrums for human disease states. Of recent years, the catalogue of fluoridated pharmaceuticals has doubled and redoubled until any representative listing would be beyond the scope of this paper.
The proclaimed intention of the pharmacist in fluorinating a product is to enhance still further its metabolic activity and therefore its alleged remedial qualities. For example, fludrocortisone acetate has glucocoricoid actions about 15 times as potent as hydrocortisone (unfluorinated), and mineralocorticoid effects more than 100 times as potent.
But, in potentiating the remedial effect, the undesirable side-effects are also worsened and the 'therapeutic' industry gets an income from two sources: from treating the original disease condition and, subsequently, from repairing the iatrogenic effects of the initial drug treatment”.
Full text see:
http://www.rense.com/general7/fll.htm
Remember Fluorine is an intensely reactive element. It reacts in, and upon, us. That is why it potentiates drugs, and that is why it is incredibly naïve to think of Fluoride as only affecting teeth.
List of Fluorinated Medicines:
http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/health/fluorinatedpharmaceuticals.htm
The effect of Fluoride on bone, as on teeth, is highly controversial.
Because Fluoride definitely made me very ill, I am, naturally enough, in the sceptics camp
http://www.rvi.net/~fluoride/wrong.htm
http://www.fluoridation.com/colquhoun.htm
Thanks
Len
I’m not surprised you have less stomach pain.
Fluoride and Aspirin are both irritant to the stomach.
“Fluorinated Pharmaceuticals - Fluoridated Income Generation:
In an effort to increase the bio-availability of the remedial ingredient or ingredients, many pharmaceutical products are halogenated. There are still many chlorinated and a few brominated products designed as nostrums for human disease states. Of recent years, the catalogue of fluoridated pharmaceuticals has doubled and redoubled until any representative listing would be beyond the scope of this paper.
The proclaimed intention of the pharmacist in fluorinating a product is to enhance still further its metabolic activity and therefore its alleged remedial qualities. For example, fludrocortisone acetate has glucocoricoid actions about 15 times as potent as hydrocortisone (unfluorinated), and mineralocorticoid effects more than 100 times as potent.
But, in potentiating the remedial effect, the undesirable side-effects are also worsened and the 'therapeutic' industry gets an income from two sources: from treating the original disease condition and, subsequently, from repairing the iatrogenic effects of the initial drug treatment”.
Full text see:
http://www.rense.com/general7/fll.htm
Remember Fluorine is an intensely reactive element. It reacts in, and upon, us. That is why it potentiates drugs, and that is why it is incredibly naïve to think of Fluoride as only affecting teeth.
List of Fluorinated Medicines:
http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/health/fluorinatedpharmaceuticals.htm
The effect of Fluoride on bone, as on teeth, is highly controversial.
Because Fluoride definitely made me very ill, I am, naturally enough, in the sceptics camp
http://www.rvi.net/~fluoride/wrong.htm
http://www.fluoridation.com/colquhoun.htm
Thanks
Len
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