Candida = severe depression/agoraphobia/anxiety disorders.
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Candida = severe depression/agoraphobia/anxiety disorders.
by EYPICSYL » Sun Sep 12, 2010 5:35 pm
Hi everyone.
Im new here and this is my first post.Im afraid its a massive one,but i hope its at least informative.
I wanted to share my story with people here because i have had such a hard few years, on many occassion death would have been a release and i still hold those thoughts possibly out of habit now.
I wanted to put my story out there for others who may be searching like i was many years ago for the answer but could never find it.
Im very sad to say ALL the doctors even professors were absolutely useless in my diagnosis and tended to prescribe me meds of all kinds probably hoping they get lucky or maybe kill me LOL
Its safe to say if i hadnt self diagnosed and hit the nail on the head with my second attempt i would be in a terrible state now possibly dead in a few years had it continued.
With that said and hoping this is all ok to be saying i will start with my past.
I was always thin and still am all my life.Never able to really put on weight.I was always active into my early twenties(im going on 30 this year).
When i was 21 or so i moved to another city as i had lost my job and family in another big town (Ireland) offered to put me up so i could try get work and a new life going for myself.I had been on a bit of a downer at that time but i wouldnt say it was a big issue at the time for me.I used to brood alot and walk at night as i did so lol.Maybe my way of coping.
Anyway in this new place i got a new job and a new apartment and everything was good.I was out drinking every weekend sometimes on a tuesday nigth and working full time doing a job that gave me alot of exercise.Played soccer with the lads on fridays for about an hour or two and considered myself very healthy,or at least very fit.
About a year or two later i took my christmas holidays and spent my time in the flat chilling out playing online games and watching movies.Thinking back now my diet was terrible! i ate for morning lunch a lunchbox of cereal with sugar and milk!
For main lunch i would eat left over dinner reheated like rice and chile etc.And a take away alot of the time at home.
What happened that winter changed my life forever.
I simply didnt want to go outside,i didnt want to go to work when the time came and i just didnt turn up.No phone call i switched the mobile off and ignored the world as i slided deeper and deeper into a spiral of guilt,depression and generally hiding from the world outside.I must add at this time i had been making a transition from being in a cult like religion(jehovahs witnesses which is my perogative to label for myself,i do not wish to argue that label here) to being to depressed to bother with everlasting life.My depression was so bad i was able to make the choice to never be part of that religion and thus i would not gain this everlasting life i had been conditioned to believe in.I had chosen death be it at gods hand or when my time came.Maybe that is partly why i didnt do it myself,but anyway it may have been something that made the whole thing worse.
After another few weeks like this i had progressed to living on the sofa,totally imersing myself in an online world to keep a reason to carry on living.That game gave me something to do that felt worthwhile believe it or not.And i had good friends on it even speaking to them on teamspeak etc.
Since the sofa in my sittng room was the extent of my safezone the rst of the place was more or less abandoned.I was just about able to go to the shop about 20 seconds down the road but it was a big thing.That was the agoraphobia or what i now believe it was anyway.I felt people were watching me,my hands were shaking,my voice was shaking and when i ran into a friend i used to share a place with before i could see he was totally taken back and shocked to see the state i was in.It must have been bad because my nervousness was making him extremely nervous where he was nearly shaking with his voice! lol
The Darkness i felt on my whole existence is virtually undescribable.It changed me so much and nearly 10years later i am still tryng to recover physically and mentally.
By the way my parents have always been good to me and i have no abuse or anythng that would cause this in my past.My family even tried shouting up to my apartment which i heard but ignored.
Eventually i ran out of money and my landlord came around becuase i hadnt paid rent in about 2 months.
When i had no other choice i eventually phoned my sister to ask if she can take me to a doctor,as my choices were becoming death or kicked out on the street.
A year later i had been on anti depressants(prozac) had also been on anti anxiety tabs for giving me confidence.These kind of helped but i still had that lingering feeling.Also i believe the support of my family was a major help as they took the pressure of the world off my shoulders and i stayed in spain for a year supposedly recovering.
Off course i didnt fully recover.After the year in spain i moved back to ireland.Got a girlfriend and even during a beautiful summers day i remember sitting in a garden as my gf cooked some food and i was still depressed and i didnt have a damn reason in the world to be.
Another year or 2 later im with another girlfriend working away socializing etc but still depressed.Sometimes id just lie down and stare at the ceiling for ages brooding to myself for no reason,feeling confused about my mood etc.
I then developed an issue with hunger!It crept up on me so subtley i didnt notice until i was constantly eating anythign sweet mostly chocolate bars to quench this hunger.I had discovered i got this hunger pang at the top of my stomach even after i had eaten a full meal.And the only way i could get rid of it was anything sweet with sugar.
So naturally i started to think i might be hypo-glycemic which is someone afaik that needs to eat sugar to raise their blood sugar.
People thought i was being silly.My girlfriend didnt believe me and thought i was acting up or something.
I went to the doctor who gave me tabs for an acidy stomach.The professors in the local hospital was a stomach specialist and refused to listen to my symptoms and said "its most likely an ulcer,i will book you in for an endoscopy" and then refused to hear anymore of it wanting to see the next person.
This made me angry as i felt he was simply making a quick buck and being lazy with my diagnosis.
In the meantime my stomach was getting worse.Serious cramps now in my intestines,i was sometimes doubled over on the bed with the pain and my gf was getting me mint tea etc because it seemed like trapped wind or some unsettled stomach problem.
Anyway i was in a really bad state and still depressed but not as bad as when i was 21 i think i may have been takning prozac still at that time,yes i was actually.This may have countered the depression a fair bit.As i was just depressed, but not severely.
Apologies if this story is boring i think some or many parts relevant to various disorders others may have or similar lifestyles.
Im getting there dont worry!
So..After some more googling and reading up on symptoms i came across candida albacans.Of course my girlfriend still thought i was way off and that i was a hypocondriac or something but i was too sick to listen to her about going to another doctor or letting that professor shove a camera down my throat,probably would have told me i have bowl cancer and chemo'd me anyway! :/
For those who dont know about candida its a form of thrush and yeast infection.If you got thrush in your mouth or somewhere else then that is the same stuff as candida in my oppinion.It happens when your immune system is run down and the flora in your gut gets out of balance.That was most likely caused by the diet i had and made worse by the tablets i was taking for the depression and anxiety.Hormoes also cause this to happen like the pill,there are many ways this can happen but the result is the yeast grows and grows it needs sugar or anything that will turn to sugar to multiply and it spreads throughout your body eating your insides.This can get worse if left which was my case.When left long enough it starts to mutate into a fungus which looks similar to cancer its white and sticks to your intestinal wall(infact it looks identical to bowel cancer supisciously enough^^)
It then spreads roots into your bloodstream so it can feed off the sugars which it is getting by somehow stimulating your hunger glands or something.This leaves holes in your insides causeing leaky gut syndrome.When your guts are leaking all sorts of toxins and crap is passing through into your blood which then makes its way into your brain and joints and organs all over your body.
This causes severe depression,confusion,achey joints,cold feet,allergies,skin disorders,anxiety,eye poblems,loss of hair...the list goes on and on and on and on...
It was time to take my own life into my own hands and feck the rest of em.
Here is what happened.
A 2 week fast.Its ment to be a restricted diet but to be honest it feels like there is nothing you can eat during this hard phase.
Nothing that could possibly turn into or contan yeast or sugar,that means ALL carbohydrates are out,anyhting with sugar,milk,flour,starch everything lol
So i was skinny to start with and i lost some more weight.But oh my god! 2 weeks and i wont tell you what came out haha but i will say the darkness cleared! It was gone!
Depression? whats that? it just went away in 2 weeks,i felt strong again no cramps no hunger pangs,no anxiety,i was able to go outside again for more than 20 mins without being terrified i would die of hunger.i used to be near the point of fainting before.
Now i still have damage that is being repaired as its very hard to stick to this diet and considering they reckon for every year you had candida they reccomend a month or 2 of the strict diet.I may of had it since i was 21!! only went on the 2 week diet at age 28.
I am mostly recovered,i still have bad days as i am unemployed and single and i guess it might be a habit to be depressed.
But overall i am watching my diet now.I try to eat mostly protein with fiber and if i eat carbs its complex ones or maybe a little white rice for dinner sometimes a slice of bread.But ye i pretty much fixed it and i have been researching psychology and health topics since.
My point in posting the ridiculously long story is to help effect a real change in a few peoples lives.Possibly this could even save someones life in the long run and that would make me so happy to even help one person avoid what i had and am enduring still.
Warning this does not account for all depression,anxiety and all the other symptoms i wrote about.What id like to say is i really do empathize with those who suffer from clinical depression and any other forms of mental disorder.
Candida is not the cause of all of these in all people.BUT...i have read that in america for example 80% of americans have some form of candida be that right or wrong i think from my story you can see how easy a person can get this just from a bad diet with too much carbohydrates and hormoes etc.
Candida is easily diagnosed, there is a test where you spit into a glass of water when you wake in the mornng(youtube the spit test to see exactly).
The candida or yeast cells multiply about 100 cells per hour i think just to give you an idea.
So for those sitting in a dark room with the curtans closed considering their life and why the hell they should bother trying to fight for it.Please consider first that it really can get better.There is no light at the end of the tunnel infact maybe no tunnel in sight right now.But i promise you it CAN get better.You can do some research and test if you have a similar issue to me.
Even if not i had noticed a good change for the better in my life when i had tablets to get me going...But i stress please dont just go with tabs..If it aint candida then you may or most likely need counseling or some very knowledgable support to get the the real issue.
Either way dont give up,i also have tinnitus from work by the way which causes insomnia and confusion but i have taken my life into my own hands i am my own responsibility and i will always from now on research research! Google everything, use forums and find the answers that the paid professionals sometimes have no clue about.
I am the proof YOU can do it.You may not want to now but the you from the future that is enjoy a certain summers day is going to be really really pissed at you if you cut it short!
I welcome all responses and questions.
As i said im new to this forum and dont wish to be giving medical advice at all.I wanted to share my story and let others know there are others causes for these disorders and they are fixed by a simple dietary change.The worst that can happen to you is you get healthier anyway.
If you know someone who may be over weight and depressed i would highly reccomend researching candida aswell.
I hope this has been usefull.
Thanks for reading.
Im new here and this is my first post.Im afraid its a massive one,but i hope its at least informative.
I wanted to share my story with people here because i have had such a hard few years, on many occassion death would have been a release and i still hold those thoughts possibly out of habit now.
I wanted to put my story out there for others who may be searching like i was many years ago for the answer but could never find it.
Im very sad to say ALL the doctors even professors were absolutely useless in my diagnosis and tended to prescribe me meds of all kinds probably hoping they get lucky or maybe kill me LOL
Its safe to say if i hadnt self diagnosed and hit the nail on the head with my second attempt i would be in a terrible state now possibly dead in a few years had it continued.
With that said and hoping this is all ok to be saying i will start with my past.
I was always thin and still am all my life.Never able to really put on weight.I was always active into my early twenties(im going on 30 this year).
When i was 21 or so i moved to another city as i had lost my job and family in another big town (Ireland) offered to put me up so i could try get work and a new life going for myself.I had been on a bit of a downer at that time but i wouldnt say it was a big issue at the time for me.I used to brood alot and walk at night as i did so lol.Maybe my way of coping.
Anyway in this new place i got a new job and a new apartment and everything was good.I was out drinking every weekend sometimes on a tuesday nigth and working full time doing a job that gave me alot of exercise.Played soccer with the lads on fridays for about an hour or two and considered myself very healthy,or at least very fit.
About a year or two later i took my christmas holidays and spent my time in the flat chilling out playing online games and watching movies.Thinking back now my diet was terrible! i ate for morning lunch a lunchbox of cereal with sugar and milk!
For main lunch i would eat left over dinner reheated like rice and chile etc.And a take away alot of the time at home.
What happened that winter changed my life forever.
I simply didnt want to go outside,i didnt want to go to work when the time came and i just didnt turn up.No phone call i switched the mobile off and ignored the world as i slided deeper and deeper into a spiral of guilt,depression and generally hiding from the world outside.I must add at this time i had been making a transition from being in a cult like religion(jehovahs witnesses which is my perogative to label for myself,i do not wish to argue that label here) to being to depressed to bother with everlasting life.My depression was so bad i was able to make the choice to never be part of that religion and thus i would not gain this everlasting life i had been conditioned to believe in.I had chosen death be it at gods hand or when my time came.Maybe that is partly why i didnt do it myself,but anyway it may have been something that made the whole thing worse.
After another few weeks like this i had progressed to living on the sofa,totally imersing myself in an online world to keep a reason to carry on living.That game gave me something to do that felt worthwhile believe it or not.And i had good friends on it even speaking to them on teamspeak etc.
Since the sofa in my sittng room was the extent of my safezone the rst of the place was more or less abandoned.I was just about able to go to the shop about 20 seconds down the road but it was a big thing.That was the agoraphobia or what i now believe it was anyway.I felt people were watching me,my hands were shaking,my voice was shaking and when i ran into a friend i used to share a place with before i could see he was totally taken back and shocked to see the state i was in.It must have been bad because my nervousness was making him extremely nervous where he was nearly shaking with his voice! lol
The Darkness i felt on my whole existence is virtually undescribable.It changed me so much and nearly 10years later i am still tryng to recover physically and mentally.
By the way my parents have always been good to me and i have no abuse or anythng that would cause this in my past.My family even tried shouting up to my apartment which i heard but ignored.
Eventually i ran out of money and my landlord came around becuase i hadnt paid rent in about 2 months.
When i had no other choice i eventually phoned my sister to ask if she can take me to a doctor,as my choices were becoming death or kicked out on the street.
A year later i had been on anti depressants(prozac) had also been on anti anxiety tabs for giving me confidence.These kind of helped but i still had that lingering feeling.Also i believe the support of my family was a major help as they took the pressure of the world off my shoulders and i stayed in spain for a year supposedly recovering.
Off course i didnt fully recover.After the year in spain i moved back to ireland.Got a girlfriend and even during a beautiful summers day i remember sitting in a garden as my gf cooked some food and i was still depressed and i didnt have a damn reason in the world to be.
Another year or 2 later im with another girlfriend working away socializing etc but still depressed.Sometimes id just lie down and stare at the ceiling for ages brooding to myself for no reason,feeling confused about my mood etc.
I then developed an issue with hunger!It crept up on me so subtley i didnt notice until i was constantly eating anythign sweet mostly chocolate bars to quench this hunger.I had discovered i got this hunger pang at the top of my stomach even after i had eaten a full meal.And the only way i could get rid of it was anything sweet with sugar.
So naturally i started to think i might be hypo-glycemic which is someone afaik that needs to eat sugar to raise their blood sugar.
People thought i was being silly.My girlfriend didnt believe me and thought i was acting up or something.
I went to the doctor who gave me tabs for an acidy stomach.The professors in the local hospital was a stomach specialist and refused to listen to my symptoms and said "its most likely an ulcer,i will book you in for an endoscopy" and then refused to hear anymore of it wanting to see the next person.
This made me angry as i felt he was simply making a quick buck and being lazy with my diagnosis.
In the meantime my stomach was getting worse.Serious cramps now in my intestines,i was sometimes doubled over on the bed with the pain and my gf was getting me mint tea etc because it seemed like trapped wind or some unsettled stomach problem.
Anyway i was in a really bad state and still depressed but not as bad as when i was 21 i think i may have been takning prozac still at that time,yes i was actually.This may have countered the depression a fair bit.As i was just depressed, but not severely.
Apologies if this story is boring i think some or many parts relevant to various disorders others may have or similar lifestyles.
Im getting there dont worry!
So..After some more googling and reading up on symptoms i came across candida albacans.Of course my girlfriend still thought i was way off and that i was a hypocondriac or something but i was too sick to listen to her about going to another doctor or letting that professor shove a camera down my throat,probably would have told me i have bowl cancer and chemo'd me anyway! :/
For those who dont know about candida its a form of thrush and yeast infection.If you got thrush in your mouth or somewhere else then that is the same stuff as candida in my oppinion.It happens when your immune system is run down and the flora in your gut gets out of balance.That was most likely caused by the diet i had and made worse by the tablets i was taking for the depression and anxiety.Hormoes also cause this to happen like the pill,there are many ways this can happen but the result is the yeast grows and grows it needs sugar or anything that will turn to sugar to multiply and it spreads throughout your body eating your insides.This can get worse if left which was my case.When left long enough it starts to mutate into a fungus which looks similar to cancer its white and sticks to your intestinal wall(infact it looks identical to bowel cancer supisciously enough^^)
It then spreads roots into your bloodstream so it can feed off the sugars which it is getting by somehow stimulating your hunger glands or something.This leaves holes in your insides causeing leaky gut syndrome.When your guts are leaking all sorts of toxins and crap is passing through into your blood which then makes its way into your brain and joints and organs all over your body.
This causes severe depression,confusion,achey joints,cold feet,allergies,skin disorders,anxiety,eye poblems,loss of hair...the list goes on and on and on and on...
It was time to take my own life into my own hands and feck the rest of em.
Here is what happened.
A 2 week fast.Its ment to be a restricted diet but to be honest it feels like there is nothing you can eat during this hard phase.
Nothing that could possibly turn into or contan yeast or sugar,that means ALL carbohydrates are out,anyhting with sugar,milk,flour,starch everything lol
So i was skinny to start with and i lost some more weight.But oh my god! 2 weeks and i wont tell you what came out haha but i will say the darkness cleared! It was gone!
Depression? whats that? it just went away in 2 weeks,i felt strong again no cramps no hunger pangs,no anxiety,i was able to go outside again for more than 20 mins without being terrified i would die of hunger.i used to be near the point of fainting before.
Now i still have damage that is being repaired as its very hard to stick to this diet and considering they reckon for every year you had candida they reccomend a month or 2 of the strict diet.I may of had it since i was 21!! only went on the 2 week diet at age 28.
I am mostly recovered,i still have bad days as i am unemployed and single and i guess it might be a habit to be depressed.
But overall i am watching my diet now.I try to eat mostly protein with fiber and if i eat carbs its complex ones or maybe a little white rice for dinner sometimes a slice of bread.But ye i pretty much fixed it and i have been researching psychology and health topics since.
My point in posting the ridiculously long story is to help effect a real change in a few peoples lives.Possibly this could even save someones life in the long run and that would make me so happy to even help one person avoid what i had and am enduring still.
Warning this does not account for all depression,anxiety and all the other symptoms i wrote about.What id like to say is i really do empathize with those who suffer from clinical depression and any other forms of mental disorder.
Candida is not the cause of all of these in all people.BUT...i have read that in america for example 80% of americans have some form of candida be that right or wrong i think from my story you can see how easy a person can get this just from a bad diet with too much carbohydrates and hormoes etc.
Candida is easily diagnosed, there is a test where you spit into a glass of water when you wake in the mornng(youtube the spit test to see exactly).
The candida or yeast cells multiply about 100 cells per hour i think just to give you an idea.
So for those sitting in a dark room with the curtans closed considering their life and why the hell they should bother trying to fight for it.Please consider first that it really can get better.There is no light at the end of the tunnel infact maybe no tunnel in sight right now.But i promise you it CAN get better.You can do some research and test if you have a similar issue to me.
Even if not i had noticed a good change for the better in my life when i had tablets to get me going...But i stress please dont just go with tabs..If it aint candida then you may or most likely need counseling or some very knowledgable support to get the the real issue.
Either way dont give up,i also have tinnitus from work by the way which causes insomnia and confusion but i have taken my life into my own hands i am my own responsibility and i will always from now on research research! Google everything, use forums and find the answers that the paid professionals sometimes have no clue about.
I am the proof YOU can do it.You may not want to now but the you from the future that is enjoy a certain summers day is going to be really really pissed at you if you cut it short!
I welcome all responses and questions.
As i said im new to this forum and dont wish to be giving medical advice at all.I wanted to share my story and let others know there are others causes for these disorders and they are fixed by a simple dietary change.The worst that can happen to you is you get healthier anyway.
If you know someone who may be over weight and depressed i would highly reccomend researching candida aswell.
I hope this has been usefull.
Thanks for reading.
Depressed,confused,anxious? Maybe a solution is here --> http://www.psychforums.com/depression/topic53818.html
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Re: Candida = severe depression/agoraphobia/anxiety disorders.
by jasmin » Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:07 pm
Hi, EYPICSYL! You've been through a lot because of this illness. Good for you for getting better and taking some time to give advice to others too.
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by EYPICSYL » Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:59 pm
Thanks for your support
I try to spread as much awareness as i can about candida and depression as all doctors i went to over the years failed to account for diet when diagnosing me with depression or anxiety disorders.If its like this everywhere else i wouldnt be suprised
I try to spread as much awareness as i can about candida and depression as all doctors i went to over the years failed to account for diet when diagnosing me with depression or anxiety disorders.If its like this everywhere else i wouldnt be suprised
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by jasmin » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:08 pm
It's nice of you to do this, it must really suck to know that there is something wrong but that people don't understand.
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Re: Candida = severe depression/agoraphobia/anxiety disorder
by twirly » Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:22 pm
Thanks so much for posting this!! I've been depressed for years, but a few months ago it got bad enough that my parents came and got me, so I'm living home - but only until I can get better and go be alive again. A friend of mine just shared a very similar story to yours with me, how he found candida/leaky gut and WAS RIGHT and brought it to his docs who just laughed at it...but it helped him actually HEAL, and this has renewed my hope that I might not always have to live with the Darkness.
When will western docs learn???? I found an MD who is on board with candida testing, but the majority of others don't seem to have any imagination when it comes to the possibility that yeast is overcoming the body, and that simple diet changes can have such huge effects. I have cut out a bunch of foods (notably wheat, oats, eggs,...) and ALL sugars, though I did it simultaneously to starting a drug so I'm not sure which is doing what for me and I'm certainly not in the clear yet. But my body is becoming slowly happier, it think. It's a long road to recovery.
I appreciate your diligent efforts to research for yourself - I'm doing that too, not everyone does (I guess you have to get desperate and lucky) and it really is the only way to get to the bottom of the type of mental health experience I (and I think more people than I) am having, and ultimately survive it (and if all goes well, start thriving again...)
I hope you're back on the forum sometime soon.
When will western docs learn???? I found an MD who is on board with candida testing, but the majority of others don't seem to have any imagination when it comes to the possibility that yeast is overcoming the body, and that simple diet changes can have such huge effects. I have cut out a bunch of foods (notably wheat, oats, eggs,...) and ALL sugars, though I did it simultaneously to starting a drug so I'm not sure which is doing what for me and I'm certainly not in the clear yet. But my body is becoming slowly happier, it think. It's a long road to recovery.
I appreciate your diligent efforts to research for yourself - I'm doing that too, not everyone does (I guess you have to get desperate and lucky) and it really is the only way to get to the bottom of the type of mental health experience I (and I think more people than I) am having, and ultimately survive it (and if all goes well, start thriving again...)
I hope you're back on the forum sometime soon.
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Re: Candida = severe depression/agoraphobia/anxiety disorder
by Asto » Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:58 pm
I know you like to spiral down into esoteric and other unscientific stuff to get answers for your condition, but please stop believing any incoherent nonsense like this stuff.
About 80% of the world population have Candida fungi in their colons and obviously a lot of them live fine with it.
A more sound explanation why your symptoms seem to light up a bit (assuming they actually are) is your dedication towards your "discovery" and being euphoric about it; until it wears off someday. But as others have tried, you won't be able to show this effect in a controlled double blind study and that is for a simple reason: There is no causal relation.
I am sorry, but the worst thing you can do is succumb yourself to some quackery.
About 80% of the world population have Candida fungi in their colons and obviously a lot of them live fine with it.
A more sound explanation why your symptoms seem to light up a bit (assuming they actually are) is your dedication towards your "discovery" and being euphoric about it; until it wears off someday. But as others have tried, you won't be able to show this effect in a controlled double blind study and that is for a simple reason: There is no causal relation.
I am sorry, but the worst thing you can do is succumb yourself to some quackery.
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Re: Candida = severe depression/agoraphobia/anxiety disorder
by Artemisiya » Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:16 pm Asto wrote:I know you like to spiral down into esoteric and other unscientific stuff to get answers for your condition, but please stop believing any incoherent nonsense like this stuff.
About 80% of the world population have Candida fungi in their colons and obviously a lot of them live fine with it.
A more sound explanation why your symptoms seem to light up a bit (assuming they actually are) is your dedication towards your "discovery" and being euphoric about it; until it wears off someday. But as others have tried, you won't be able to show this effect in a controlled double blind study and that is for a simple reason: There is no causal relation.
I am sorry, but the worst thing you can do is succumb yourself to some quackery.
Asto, the worst thing you can do is be closed minded and dismiss without research.
Here is your causal relation:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110829164601.htm
Lactobacillus are healthy bacteria that should be present in large quantities in the gut. If you have endured many antibiotic courses or for some other reason have less lactobacilli, it could result in anxiety and depression - according to science. Candida messes up the gut flora, and can compete out the heatlhy microorganisms that are meant to be there.
To get rid of candida the best steps are: 1) Go on a candida-diet 2) Introduce strong anti-fungals 3)Introduce probiotics and maintain these and the healthy diet whilst also avoiding antibiotics wherever possible.
Live long and prosper.
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Re: Candida = severe depression/agoraphobia/anxiety disorder
by marielll » Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:13 pm
I have a similar story.
I felt lazy for no reasons. I didn't want to see anyone anymore. Chronic fatigue. I decided to a stools test & i have found i had candida. I am now on a low carb diet. It is going to take 1 year i think to recover.
In the night i was paranoid. I checked if doors were closed. I had diarrheas.
I regrets that i went to Mc Donald's, that i drunk coke soda, that i ate so much chocolate and accepted antibiotics when i was a teen. My life would have been different.
Now i have found the solution : Colloidal silver + lemon + wine / Low carb diet.
That's it.
I felt lazy for no reasons. I didn't want to see anyone anymore. Chronic fatigue. I decided to a stools test & i have found i had candida. I am now on a low carb diet. It is going to take 1 year i think to recover.
In the night i was paranoid. I checked if doors were closed. I had diarrheas.
I regrets that i went to Mc Donald's, that i drunk coke soda, that i ate so much chocolate and accepted antibiotics when i was a teen. My life would have been different.
Now i have found the solution : Colloidal silver + lemon + wine / Low carb diet.
That's it.
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Re: Candida = severe depression/agoraphobia/anxiety disorder
by thankyou » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:38 pm
My username is to pay homage to EYPICSYL.
Thank you, EYPICSYL. You've just validated something that has been making my life a living hell for most of my life. Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting this. I just read it today and nearly cried. I just felt so relieved that someone else knows pretty much EXACTLY what I'm going through, and doesn't dismiss me as crazy and/or lazy.
I don't know if the mods/admins will allow it, but I've actually started a blog about healing my leaky gut/candida issue last week. If you want to follow along and read my story and see how similar it is to EYPICSYL's, feel free to PM me for it. I will post it here just in case, though, the mods allow it through:
http://veganongaps.wordpress.com/
To everyone reading this, don't dismiss EYPICSYL's advice as mere "quackery" as someone said on this thread. Doctors don't know what it is to live inside YOUR body. You know best. Always listen to yourself and don't stop fighting until you find a solution. My solution is, hopefully, the GAPS diet + an anti-candida diet (which is just like GAPS, but a little more strict in terms of sugars).
Thank you, EYPICSYL. You've just validated something that has been making my life a living hell for most of my life. Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting this. I just read it today and nearly cried. I just felt so relieved that someone else knows pretty much EXACTLY what I'm going through, and doesn't dismiss me as crazy and/or lazy.
I don't know if the mods/admins will allow it, but I've actually started a blog about healing my leaky gut/candida issue last week. If you want to follow along and read my story and see how similar it is to EYPICSYL's, feel free to PM me for it. I will post it here just in case, though, the mods allow it through:
http://veganongaps.wordpress.com/
To everyone reading this, don't dismiss EYPICSYL's advice as mere "quackery" as someone said on this thread. Doctors don't know what it is to live inside YOUR body. You know best. Always listen to yourself and don't stop fighting until you find a solution. My solution is, hopefully, the GAPS diet + an anti-candida diet (which is just like GAPS, but a little more strict in terms of sugars).
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Re: Candida = severe depression/agoraphobia/anxiety disorder
by EYPICSYL » Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:35 pm
Wow, I have not been on this site in years. It was only for an email I got to say someone sent me a message, that I remembered this site again. And I appreciate that message all the more now
It is very interesting to read my own post after 3-4 years.
I have progressed in so many ways since then and glad to say I am a very very happy and content person.
Still have candida haha!
But it's under control and mostly bouts of poverty has been the reason I could not eat fresh food all the time.
I now smoke and sometimes still eat things I shouldn't, but I am also on top of this candida issue and my diet has become a lifestyle.
I automatically refuse alcohol or foods I know I shouldn't eat, I have not much compuslions there anymore.
I know exactly the foods I should eat and when I can afford to I do.
My advice after a few years now is not to fast severely, this can cause a massive flare up and it may go systemic. Although the results are still wonderfull, I think it is safer to do it all gradually.
Accept you will at least need to spend a year eating a healthy diet, drinking lots of water and getting some regular exercise to get over it fully. And that is an educated guess, because I have never had a year straight without a time when I had only enough money to eat foods I shouldn't or I was just not strong enough to keep it up for that long.
I will always continue to try eat healthy and as it stands I can live a fairly normal life now even if I never fully recover.
The only annoyance is the whole coeliac type symptoms with Gluten and bread. But really that is something everyones bodies should not be taking in. It may not seem to affect most people, but Gluten is doing damage inside regardless. I might argue most or maybe all grains do damage. But certainly any with gluten.
I am very gratefull for the positive comments and that one negative one about quakery.
It's all beautiful lol
The positive comments just help me to remember how good it feels to share and get possible help to others suffering.
The negative comment helps me to remember to always trust my intuition and take my research with a pinch of salt. Try anything that makes sense, but take it slowly and gradually whatever you do.
If quakery gets me to this constant state of happiness despite still having symptoms of an illness, i will take quakery every day haha
Asto, I hope you will do research for yourself and not to take authority figures and things written down as infinite truths. What works..works. What does not, simply does not.
I had a friend a year or two ago with cronic fatigue syndrome or M.E. suffered for years with it unable to stay awake more than a few hours at a time. Lots of medications and experts had seen him.
Apparently at the time the illness was a mystery ..yea right..
I told him to go on a candida diet and a few weeks later he was completely cured of it.
Anecdotel from another perspective yes. But I challenge you to find someone with such an illness and to follow my advice. Watch as what appears to be a miracle happens(if the doctors are right and I am incorrect).
I would say a massive portion of diseases these days can be cured with a healthy diet.
Maybe all of them if caught very early. Our bodies evolved with systems to combat these things, it is the unnatural degradation of the worlds diet into poisoning ourselves, that has become a handy means of controlling overpopulation, combined with the pharmaceutical industry.
I'd like to add also that researching psychology and NLP really helped me deal with depression and anxiety especially.
Philosophy has really helped me to take all the negative things in my life and turn them around to positives.
So thanks again for the support and I hope this continues to help others. Eventually this issue will become so prevailant and the cure so obvious, that it will come out to the mainstream and the pharma corps will have to change tactics and start training doctors with new methods to make us sick and turn a profit.
Already Monsanto are working hard on our food supplies to create seeds that only grow one cycle and die. No more replanting seeds if they have their way.
I don't actually blame the doctors themselves really. They are trained to do a job.
Much like Asto's comments above, they do not understand what they are doing and are following their programming without critical thinking or personal research outside of the framework and authority they trust.
To go against that framework for a doctor is possibly to lose your job or not get funding.
So they must kill people with drugs instead of healing. It's not their fault. Look to capitalism and democracy. Agenda 21, Bilderberg, council of 300 etc etc.
Ahhhhaaa! more madness the man spouts, has his candida gotten the better of him?
Research and see. I fell down the rabbit hole along with my health research and have never wanted to turn back since.
If this thread has helped in any way, it would also encourage me to hear from those it did help.
That is a gift I would enjoy very much.
It is very interesting to read my own post after 3-4 years.
I have progressed in so many ways since then and glad to say I am a very very happy and content person.
Still have candida haha!
But it's under control and mostly bouts of poverty has been the reason I could not eat fresh food all the time.
I now smoke and sometimes still eat things I shouldn't, but I am also on top of this candida issue and my diet has become a lifestyle.
I automatically refuse alcohol or foods I know I shouldn't eat, I have not much compuslions there anymore.
I know exactly the foods I should eat and when I can afford to I do.
My advice after a few years now is not to fast severely, this can cause a massive flare up and it may go systemic. Although the results are still wonderfull, I think it is safer to do it all gradually.
Accept you will at least need to spend a year eating a healthy diet, drinking lots of water and getting some regular exercise to get over it fully. And that is an educated guess, because I have never had a year straight without a time when I had only enough money to eat foods I shouldn't or I was just not strong enough to keep it up for that long.
I will always continue to try eat healthy and as it stands I can live a fairly normal life now even if I never fully recover.
The only annoyance is the whole coeliac type symptoms with Gluten and bread. But really that is something everyones bodies should not be taking in. It may not seem to affect most people, but Gluten is doing damage inside regardless. I might argue most or maybe all grains do damage. But certainly any with gluten.
I am very gratefull for the positive comments and that one negative one about quakery.
It's all beautiful lol
The positive comments just help me to remember how good it feels to share and get possible help to others suffering.
The negative comment helps me to remember to always trust my intuition and take my research with a pinch of salt. Try anything that makes sense, but take it slowly and gradually whatever you do.
If quakery gets me to this constant state of happiness despite still having symptoms of an illness, i will take quakery every day haha
Asto, I hope you will do research for yourself and not to take authority figures and things written down as infinite truths. What works..works. What does not, simply does not.
I had a friend a year or two ago with cronic fatigue syndrome or M.E. suffered for years with it unable to stay awake more than a few hours at a time. Lots of medications and experts had seen him.
Apparently at the time the illness was a mystery ..yea right..
I told him to go on a candida diet and a few weeks later he was completely cured of it.
Anecdotel from another perspective yes. But I challenge you to find someone with such an illness and to follow my advice. Watch as what appears to be a miracle happens(if the doctors are right and I am incorrect).
I would say a massive portion of diseases these days can be cured with a healthy diet.
Maybe all of them if caught very early. Our bodies evolved with systems to combat these things, it is the unnatural degradation of the worlds diet into poisoning ourselves, that has become a handy means of controlling overpopulation, combined with the pharmaceutical industry.
I'd like to add also that researching psychology and NLP really helped me deal with depression and anxiety especially.
Philosophy has really helped me to take all the negative things in my life and turn them around to positives.
So thanks again for the support and I hope this continues to help others. Eventually this issue will become so prevailant and the cure so obvious, that it will come out to the mainstream and the pharma corps will have to change tactics and start training doctors with new methods to make us sick and turn a profit.
Already Monsanto are working hard on our food supplies to create seeds that only grow one cycle and die. No more replanting seeds if they have their way.
I don't actually blame the doctors themselves really. They are trained to do a job.
Much like Asto's comments above, they do not understand what they are doing and are following their programming without critical thinking or personal research outside of the framework and authority they trust.
To go against that framework for a doctor is possibly to lose your job or not get funding.
So they must kill people with drugs instead of healing. It's not their fault. Look to capitalism and democracy. Agenda 21, Bilderberg, council of 300 etc etc.
Ahhhhaaa! more madness the man spouts, has his candida gotten the better of him?
Research and see. I fell down the rabbit hole along with my health research and have never wanted to turn back since.
If this thread has helped in any way, it would also encourage me to hear from those it did help.
That is a gift I would enjoy very much.
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